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Anthony P. Kuzub

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cable inside of consoles
« on: November 09, 2006, 01:02:13 PM »

Does anyone know a good way to solder these cables?  It seems they have that stupid coating on them.  what peels it off?  is it a certain type of solder?  or do i chemically dip them?  I found a lighter works, but i dont think that's how it was originally done! 

does anyone have any good suggestions for an alternative cable that could be used inside a console?
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Re: cable inside of consoles
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2006, 08:39:26 PM »

I am also interested in the answer to this question,  as well as

What cable is recomended for replacement or for extending the cable inside WBS consoles?
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Re: cable inside of consoles
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2006, 02:51:05 PM »

when i originally looked into rebuilding the console, i was thinking about Mogami, but it may be a bit expensive

http://www.mogamicable.com/Bulk/micr_cables/console_cables/console.html

I'm trying to find the belden equivilent since i know the company rep hahaha

Canare doesnt offer much that would work either....so I dont know...
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Re: cable inside of consoles
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2006, 06:55:12 PM »

from what i see, you might need a solder pot... ???
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Re: cable inside of consoles
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2006, 05:02:57 PM »

Hey Tony,

It just happens that i ordered some of that console cable recently....and some 12 pr snake cable.

I ordered mine from Long & Mcquade......who deals with Radial.....that supplies Mogami to them...
...i ordered 30' of the console cable ...and i think it was just over $30. Still waiting for it...

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Re: cable inside of consoles
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2006, 06:19:11 PM »

moral of the story.... stay out of long and maquade!

you know, if you call cable tek directly, i think they'll sell to you directly....if not...it's worth asking hahaha
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Re: cable inside of consoles
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2006, 08:37:06 AM »

What type of cables?  Is it audio specific wire?  I have no idea what we used in older consoles, but for the majority of audio hook up we use ->http://www.delcowire.com/pnsummary.asp?part=386153
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Re: cable inside of consoles
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2006, 07:16:47 PM »

These look like great cables kev...

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Re: cable inside of consoles
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2006, 09:34:17 PM »

I spoke with Eugene.  He said it was a Belden cable, and its an insulator that peels off.  This cable was used to save time, especially when soldering jack fields. 
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Re: cable inside of consoles
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2006, 12:46:44 PM »

i know it has to be stripped,  but what is the most effective way of stripping it?  it's so brittle that when you try to strip it it just breaks off.  is there a chemical solution you strip the varnish with?  or did they use an acid based solder that removes the varnish.  I talked to a belden rep and he said they no longer make that type of cable, and he didint know the reason they stopped (maybe ward beck wasnt buying it anymore  :P 

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Re: cable inside of consoles
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2006, 02:38:47 PM »

Eugene said just solder right over top of the varnish. ???  The varnish is supposed to melt when being soldered.
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Re: cable inside of consoles
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2006, 07:40:03 PM »

Hmmph. Good info...i was wondering the same thing.

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Re: cable inside of consoles
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2006, 09:20:58 AM »

I talked to a belden rep and he said they no longer make that type of cable, and he didint know the reason they stopped (maybe ward beck wasnt buying it anymore  :P 



The varnish likely smolders when being soldered, plus tin/lead solder smoke, will probably lead to a cancer of some kind.  Belden tech "uhhhh, should we be breathing this stuff???"
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Re: cable inside of consoles
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2006, 04:58:03 PM »

yeah probably not a good thing at all. 

i know there is a church in saskatoon that has it's ceiling covered in Asbestos.  Honest to god you can walk up and touch it and it STILL hasnt been ripped out.   The acoustics in the huge room are amazing though...would make an awesome studio. 

the joke is that it's a ukrainian church and some guy got the idea to use it "they were hauling truck loads of it to the dump!!"

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Re: cable inside of consoles
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2007, 12:34:15 PM »

Hi Tony, maybe Eugene or the guys at Ward Beck could help you.  What I do is just heat the end of the solid wire up and keep tinning it until finally I have burned off the lacquer coating.  Its a bit of a pain but seems to work and make a good connection.

I use Canare shielded hook up cable which is very thin and easy to work with.

You can get it from my friends at RP Electronics on-line.  It is quite reasonable.

There is no reason to use the esoteric solid silver wire that seems to be in vogue recently.   There will be no measurable or audible difference over stranded wire as the hf frequencies electrons travel on the skin of the wire.  This means stranded wire has a better high frequency response.  However, the impedances in the Ward Beck consoles are so low that the solid Belden with its lacquer coat is more than adequate.

Cheers, Dave
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